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Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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We took another weekend trip up to the house to watch the meteor shower on Friday night. The sky had very few clouds, but the meteors were mostly washed out due to the moon being so bright. My plan was to wake up early on Saturday and hike Overlook Mountain again to look for Timbers, then meet up with the group later in the day to hike to Huckleberry Point and then down into Platte Falls. The plan was derailed by a couple of things. First, the weather was overcast and I wasn’t positive I would see any Timbers without a decent amount of sunshine. And second, the whole group woke earlier than expected and wanted to hike too but were not so into the idea of rattlesnake “hunting.” So we decided we would to hike to Kaaterskill High Peak and then after returning to the lot to go to Platte Falls. While I say earlier than expected, it was still later than I would have liked and it took forever to have everyone ready to go. Needless to say we didn’t make it to the trailhead on Platte Clove Rd until 1pm.

The hike started out great, with the weather at just the perfect temperature for staying comfortable. Unfortunately as we continued up the trail I quickly realized that we would not be making good time as some in the group were lagging behind. We adjusted our pace so that we all stayed together, but many were frustrated with the slow progression.

We encountered a few fallen trees along the way. This one had a neat root structure and was pretty sizeable.
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I then chased a toad into this group of plants… And promptly realized my mistake! My arms and legs were itchy and on FIRE! Lesson learned the hard way…
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Looking closely makes you understand much better…
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This broken tree is right along the path and is held up by another tree. Very dangerous if this thing were to let go while someone is near it. It will land right next to or on the trail.
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We continued up the trail and made the left on the unmarked trail to the Native American campsite. Along the way we spotted our first bear track.
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The lens cap in this picture is for a 77mm lens (~3 inches), but the outside diameter is slightly larger than that.
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We found our way up to the Loop trail relatively easily without having to go through much brush (again, thanks for the helpful information on the hiking/trail section of this website!) Once on the loop, which was very muddy, we took a right to get to the north side of the peak and climb up that way. We were expecting to see the first plane crash, but realized after awhile that we must have bushwhacked too far east and missed it. We planned to catch it on the way back down.

Here is another print, which I believe is a domesticated dog print. (Please correct me if I’m wrong, not so good with differentiating dog and coyote prints)
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We passed this cool rotting tree stump, very nice moss and color to it! I decided this one was worth a quick picture.
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We saw this Allegheny Dusky Salamander on the trail and watched him scurry around for a bit.
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The second and final bear print that we saw, still on the loop trail between the plane crash and the trail junction.
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After passing the trail junction we made the left to head up the trail towards the peak. I certainly underestimated the length of the difficult portion of the climb and would not have taken everyone with us had I known. This is a view looking back down the parts we had begun to climb.
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A view looking up at a very jagged crack in the rock structure. This was my favorite area of the trail, tons of moss, water slowly making its way down the rock faces and lots of elevation gain!
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More water and moss. I really liked this one as well.
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Just a bit more to reach the peak!
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One of the two markers at the top.
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Three views from the top.
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By this point the group was anxious to get back to the bottom so we I did not get to all of the ledges at the top, which was a big disappointment. We also looked for the plane crash for a very brief time, but did not reach it. So we started back down the mountain.

I didn’t take any more pictures on the way back down as I was focused on keeping the group moving safely back to the lot. We hiked back down to the loop trail, which took significantly longer than expected. Started to make better time once we were on the loop. We then reached the plane crash and took 10 minutes to look around. As we started back towards the Native American campsite we found the entrance point but the trail was much harder to follow in the opposite direction. We ended up just south of the campsite which if you continue to move east from will lead you to a very steep ravine. The group became anxious as we continued to lose daylight. I knew the correct direction thanks to my compass and kept everyone calm, while I tried to find the easiest path back to the campsite. We headed north for about 200 feet and found it. The trail was still difficult to follow even after the campsite and we did some pretty good bushwhacking, but eventually came out on the trail. As we headed down the trail one person twisted their ankle and I knew at that point we would be walking in the complete darkness before we made it out. Thankfully we had multiple flashlights and a decent sized group of people so I was optimistic that we would be fine. We continued to the trail junction to Huckleberry Point at an incredibly slow pace and at this point it was dark. Continuing the remaining mile to the parking lot was still slow going, but we made out just fine. What should have been a 5 hour roundtrip hike turned into an 8 hour trek, with us crossing the gate to the parking lot just before 9pm. I learned my lesson and as much as I like to have anyone come along for a hike, I will only be taking people that I know have had moderate to difficult hiking experience. We did everything right and had all the correct supplies and tools. The only thing I would have changed was to get to the trailhead much earlier next time.

Regardless, as much as everyone was exhausted (and some in pain) by the end of the trip, everyone on the hike was glad that they went and really enjoyed the challenging experience! I will be back to Kaaterskill High Peak in the future, but have many more places to explore first!

P.S. Here is a picture of the sky from Friday night… 30 second tripod mounted exposure.
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Re: Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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Hi SNEAKers,

Thanks so much for posting your trip report, though I'm sorry to hear of the difficulties you encountered. I sincerely hope everyone is OK, including the person who suffered the twisted ankle. Fortunately, you planned correctly and brought a flashlight so you could safely return to your car.

As you noted, your downfall was most likely leaving so late. The hike you did was quite ambitious and you should really have left no later than 9:00 am (8:00 am would have been even better). As you also noted, you need to be very sensitive about the capabilities and limitations of everyone in your group. Fortunately everyone returned "safe and sound".

I'm curious as to which way you descended Kaaterskill High Peak. Did you retrace your steps and descend the north side or did you take the more dangerous southern descent?

Kaaterskill High Peak is by far my favorite hiking destination in the Catskills. There are so many things to see and explore. You mentioned not being able to find the plane wreck at the summit. The summit wreck is a little elusive unless you know exactly where it is. Also, a short distance from the summit plane wreck is a spectacular (and exceedingly dangerous!) ledge looking to the east.

Also if you have the time, please read the post for hiking the West Access Trail. Mike C turned me "on" to this trail and it is now one of my absolute favorite hikes.

Regrettably, things have been incredibly busy for me all summer. Mike and I have tried several times to meet up this spring and summer and something (usually the weather) always got in the way.

Thanks again for posting and please feel free to post any questions you have.

Rich Kugel
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Re: Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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We retraced out steps and headed back down the north path. I had wanted to climb up from the south and down the north but knew that not everyone in the group would have been comfortable with that. The main issue we had was the pace that some kept, even when the trail was level and mostly dirt, it was almost half the pace that the usual group.

I think we were on the right track to get to the peak crash, just didn't go far enough to find it. We also didnt get to see all of the ledges, including the portion of hurricane ledge shown at the top of the hiking page. I plan on returning to this peak next summer and will certainly consider doing the west access trail! Thanks for the suggestion!
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Congratulations on getting your group up and back safely. Looks like everyone had fun. Great pictures!

Those stinging plants are called nettles. You will often find them near water sources in the Catskills. Nasty little critters. If I know that I am going to encounter lots of them, I will wear gaiters.

Large groups can be very hard to manage. As you have just discovered. Especially if you do not know the groups ability. 2-4 people is ideal. 6 is manageable. Over 8 and the group will fractionalize. Large groups are like herding cats. Been there, done that. You certainly had your hands full. Thumbs up for getting everyone back to the car safely. I always carry a headlight. Never know when you might need it.

Too bad you didn't get down to Hurricane Ledge. Quite a good view. But, the NE view point is also very nice to see. There is so much to see, that it is hard to see everything on a single hike

The West Access Route is more of a bushwhack. But, it is a favorite of many hikers. Very wild, and route finding is challenging. You get to see beautiful wild conifer forest, 3250 ledge, the Hanging Ledge, Tory Fort, etc. Rich and I usually do this route in the Fall/Winter. Let us know if you would like to join us. We also do the Kaaterskill Amphitheater Rim Walk, which is very nice. We usually do these hikes in small groups. You are welcome to join us on both.

I am glad you didn't go up the South Access Route. It is incredibly steep and dangerous. I am not sure your group would have made it up to the top of Hurricane Ledge safely. But, it worked out in the end.

Coming back from the snowmobile loop to the LP can be challenging. I have come missed my mark a number of time. Either way, you hit ledges. The only safe way is the right way. Once you do it a couple times, you don't seem to have a problem.

Ususally, we don't see too many bears on this section. Most live in the many caves of RoundTop Mtn.

Sounds like you had a good time. Look to seeing more reports in the future.
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Re: Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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Oh, the prints you saw are from a dog. One of my hiking friends was there on Saturday morning.

Here is a picture of the Hanging Ledge, which is about 150' east of the Tory Fort:

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Re: Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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The south access route to KHP scares the krap out of me! Yeah, coming back is much harder to find the Indian Camp. Love the top of the KHP and hurricane ledge. Really like the Hanging Ledge.

Nice hike SNEAKer! Looks like most of you had a good hike. Twisting an ankle sounds painful way to come down the mountain.
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Re: Kaaterskill High Peak - 13Aug2011

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Nice hike. Love those pics. KHP can be tough hike. The short-cut trail from the indian camp to the snowmobile path can be tough the first time you do it.

Like the picture of the stars. Someone told me that if you expose it for 2 minutes you can pick up the milky way. Not sure if it is true. I saw a NG photo winner of the stars from a hiker camping out. Will have to see if I can find it again.

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Rattlesnake "Hunting". Love that term!
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Twisting your ankle on a hike is the pitts. I severely twisted my ankle with over a mile left to the hike the last time I went.
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Mike: Thanks for the info and the invite... Would certainly be into a hike together and will try to make it as time gets closer. We encountered about 5 groups of people this day and 4 of them had dogs with them. All were on the LP before the bushwhack section. One woman was by herself and had 3 dogs with her! 

Mtnclimber: Good to know that the south side climb is that scary! I would like to see it from the bottom even if I don't hike it and just go around the full loop sometime... The twisted ankle ended up not being severe, but she was in pain on the way down. 

Bikenhike: Thanks, glad you like them! I only took a few of the stars... I didn't have a shutter release, which is pretty much essential for shots on Bulb for 30+ second exposures. It is amazing what you can see in the sky on a very dark night if you use a very large aperture lens (f/1.2) and in the correct conditions and equipment you would be able to pick up the milky way galaxy. The shot you are showing is fantastic and was likely taken with a full frame camera body that can handle noise much better than a crop body (Like the crop body Canon 7D I use). 

P.S. I am way into reptiles and so I am absolutely determined to get some photographs of a Timber Rattlesnake (using my long lens of course!) 

Here is another shot I took in the yard on Friday night while looking at meteors. It is a 30 second exposure, F/5.6, 11mm @ ISO 400 showing a friend moving across the frame with an LED flashlight. We got some really fun ones out of this, with this being the best...

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Analytical chick: I would imagine it would not be fun! I felt bad and carried her partially down the trail until she was able relatively comfortable to walk on it again with a big, sturdy walking stick...
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One woman was by herself and had 3 dogs with her!
Yup, know her well. Hiked a number of hikes with her, her husband, and her dogs. Her name is Heather, and the dogs names are Lily, Iske, and Cinder. Heather and her husband hike in the Catskills quite often. She also writes books about stories in the Catskills. Oh...she is the person standing below the Hanging Ledge picture. She has done this hike twice with me.

I think the guy in the Nat Geo Photo had the advantage of the reflection of the snow and lake to help with the exposure. I like the other night photo also. The effects with the flashlight is very interesting.

If you go to Overlook on the right day, you will be able to photograph lots of rattlers. The den is about 75' from the tower. The pregnant females always hang around the den. I had some friends who wanted to photograph them coming out of the den on Minister's Face this Spring, but missed them.

analytical_chick: Welcome to the forum! Sorry to hear about your ankle. Good hiking boots/shoes reduce this risk. Use high-tops if you have weak ankles.
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